The second wave webring is for people who are fans of 90s-2000s post-hardcore and emo albums. I only chose this name because it was catchy and fits a lot of the albums linked below on this webpage, but technically a lot of the albums (particularly the post-hardcore ones) wouldn't really fit in that category. Thankfully the widget itself is aptly called "post-hardcore/emo webring", I just wanted a catchy webpage title.

1. What criteria do you have to fit under to be able to join this webring?

You don't have to have listened to all the music in the genres or anything, nothing special at all. I haven't even listened to all the albums on the list. If you like a 90s-2000s post-hardcore/emo song, or have an album you like, or your favourite album is a 90s-2000s post-hardcore/emo song, or maybe you've never even listened to any of it before but you have a strong interest in the scenes and want to learn a thing or two from the other websites, feel free to join this webring. I'd just like to make it clear as early as I can that this webring is not incredibly nit-picky. Of course, however, it is important to have at least some ties to the original concept. It wouldn't make sense to have, say, Justin Beiber in a webring dedicated to post-hardcore stuff, because that would just scare all the post-hardcore fans away!

2. What counts as 90s-2000s post-hardcore/emo?

So after doing a bit of reading, I've realised it's all a bit muddled up and highly subjective, though a website named https://fourfa.com does make for a very good guide. To make it as simple as possible so we don't split hairs over this matter, I'd say if the album you want to suggest is clearly labelled as post-hardcore or emo online and was made predominantly in the 90s #40;but very early 2000s is alright), then it counts. However, this is not a third-wave emo webring*, because I feel like there is already enough of that.

"Post-hardcore" as a term roughly refers to acts that were inspired by the hardcore scene that preceded it, hence the name. Examples of hardcore bands include Bad Brains and Minor Threat, they are very popular acts, and you've probably already heard of them at least once before. There are also many post-hardcore bands as listed on Wikipedia such as Big Black and Shellac, that were inspired by other scenes such as the noise rock genre brought to the mainstream by bands such as Sonic Youth.

Most of the post-hardcore albums listed below are from Fugazi, a band that came directly from the D.C Hardcore scene, and this specific offshoot of post-hardcore is what people talk about most often, with lots of connections to the Dischord Records record label, but there are many others such as Drive Like Jehu, from San Diego, California and Slint from Louisville, Kentucky.

There is an offshoot of post-hardcore, dubbed emotional hardcore which includes bands like Rites of Spring, Moss Icon, and Embrace, amongst others, seen by many deep into the genre to be genuine emo. They are incredibly different to the songs of the midwest emo genre, with a more abrasive sound characteristic of the bands that preceded them. Many of the albums below are actually considered emo by a majority but would mostly fall under the title of post-emo, or indie rock inspired by emo. For this reason, some may (understandably, to be honest) reject the title of emo for a band like Sunny Day Real Estate, but generally it is considered emo by the vast majority of people, just a different type, therefore it is still listed as an example band down below.

In a nutshell, you have hardcore -> post-hardcore (which encompasses emotional hardcore, or emocore) -> various other emo acts, such as midwest/"second wave" emo (not directly from the hardcore scene but this arrow is alluding moreso to chronology than strict relationships, also midwest is a subsection of "second wave" but the two are often used interchangeably for some reason). To repeat: anything that falls into the latter two groups and was made in the 90s-2000s generally counts, but as you can see when you become extra technical about it, things get long.

Hopefully, this section informs you enough without confusing you. I love Fugazi's debut though, so if you wanna submit that go ahead I mean 1988 rounds up to 1990 anyways lmao. As I've said before, I know that a lot of people can get touchy when it comes to categorising genres and stuff like that and I don't want to contribute to all that rubbish so there will be a level of leniency to this, therefore I will be counting the first two MCR albums as part of this webring, but not the latter two.

If you see someone on the webring with an album that you don't personally think fits with the theme, as long as it's fairly reasonable and not completely ridiculous like The Chocolate Wheelchair Album by Venetian Snares (totally not 90s post-hardcore), just move on and give them TBOTD**. Let's not be super pedantic. This is the post-hardcore/emo webring not the bellend webring.

On the other hand, if you personally think there has been a blind spot in my judgement and I am totally wrong (please don't email me to complain about someone else), please please please feel free to email me on srslyqueries@outlook.com. I am very open to criticism. In fact, I enjoy learning about this specific topic. So yeah, I won't be offended, just no drama and only bother ME. No-one else. There is a list of starter albums at the bottom of this, you can use that to gauge what sort of things would count, if you are looking for some examples.

Sometimes it's twinkly, sometimes it's shouty. The sound is slightly diverse - though there are many similarities ;).

3. How do I join?

So because I am shit at js (I know nothing so far) and am using a template, I do not know how to automatically add people to the members list. Therefore, what you have to do is email me (srslyqueries@outlook.com), telling me the name of the album you want, your Neocities URL and what your website is called, and I will give you the HTML for the widget and also add you to the members list. Because I'm on holiday right now, there won't be much of a delay but if there is that doesn't mean the webring is discontinued. Don't worry about that though, because I will make an announcement if that happens. Technically, I could just put the HTML on this webpage after every album listed, but I don't want people to accidentally add the widget without being a part of the members' list. That would be a shame. (This rule may be subject to change however. I will update if this is the case). If you are looking for another album that's not there: you could:

1. Recommend me (by email) to add it to the webring list (this may take time if I don't see it, and I might reject it if I's like some 2013 metalcore album or smth lmao) or,
2. Just do it yourself. To be honest it's not actually hard I'm making it sound so hard but basically I'll put a template code on this webring so that you can just edit the image if you want. Please email me first so I can add you to the members' list though.
NOTE: Please let me know if your website address changes or you want to leave the webring, thanks :3.
4. List of albums already available

I've started with a list of 21 albums. It is located below. Just email me with the album name or number to indicate which one you want (or if you want another of course). I have not listened to all of them myself, I am open to recommendations for specific songs :).

1. Dear You - Jawbreaker
2. Relationship of Command - At the Drive-In
3. Analphabetapolothology - Cap'n Jazz
4. I Brought you My Bullets You Brought Me Your Love - My Chemical Romance
5. Clumsy - Samiam
6. The Power of Failing - Mineral
7. Do You Know Who You Are? - Texas Is The Reason
8. American Football American Football
9. Diary - Sunny Day Real Estate
10. A Portable Model Of - Joan of Arc
11. Orange Rhyming Dictionary - Jets to Brazil
12. End Serenading - Mineral
13. Texas Is The Reason - Texas Is The Reason
14. Frame and Canvas - Braid
15. For Your Own Special Sweetheart - Jawbox
16. Nothing Feels Good - The Promise Ring
17. …When Life Hands You Lemons - Piebald
18. In On the Kill Taker - Fugazi
19. Three Cheers For Sweet Revenger - My Chemical Romance
20. 24 Hour Revenge Therapy - Jawbreaker
21. Repetition - Unwound
5. How the widget will look
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post-hardcore/emo webring.
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Press ctrl+shift+c and hover over the div to see the source code if you want to edit it. In time I will include it in this webpage explicitly.

Feel free to change it slightly if you like I won't rock up to your house and kill you.

6. Contact

For feedback or ideas (I love to receive ideas), email me. If you're better than me at javascript and you think you can solve my problems, email me. If you're worse than me at all this and you have questions, email me.

7. Guestbook

Feel free to use this to link for discussions about music, recommendations, blogs, links to your website (if it fits with the topic at hand). I think it'd be nice to build an interactive community. If this thing grows it'd probably make things more interesting if there was interaction between websites (unless that's not your thing).

Sign my guestbook :)

Obligatory Copypasta: "Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE

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*A footnote. While I am a fan of some (late 2000s onwards) emo/metalcore, I am sure there are already plenty of webrings and online communities dedicated to this, so will not be accepting requests for albums from bands such as Asking Alexandria, Panic! At The Disco, Paramore, Black Veil Brides, save for certain exceptions.
**The benefit of the doubt.